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Meeting Title: Finance Committee
City: Somerville, MA
Date Published: 2025-07-08

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Jake Wilson	All right, good evening, everyone. I'm Jake Wilson, he, him pronouns, counselor at large, and your finance committee chair. It's 6 o'clock p.m. on the dot, and I'd like to call to order the Tuesday, July 8th, 2025 meeting of the finance committee of the Seminole City Council. First, it's my pleasure to read this text to y'all. Pursuant to chapter two of the acts of 2025, this meeting of a city council committee will be conducted via remote participation. We will post an audio video recording and a comprehensive record of these proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting on the city of Somerville website and local cable access government channels. Now, clerk, could you please call the roll to establish quorum?
SPEAKER_04	This is roll call. Councilor Mbah.
Jake Wilson	Present.
SPEAKER_04	Councilor Burnley.
Jake Wilson	Present.
SPEAKER_04	Councillor Clingan? Councillor Scott?
Jake Wilson	Present.
SPEAKER_04	Councillor Wilson?
Jake Wilson	Present.
SPEAKER_04	With four councillors present, one absent, we have quorum.
Jake Wilson	Excellent. Folks, we're gonna be taking up our 14 item agenda tonight in the order posted. If you're saying that's a long agenda, it will not be. The first seven items are likely to go fairly quickly here. So with that, let's dive in and we're gonna take up those six minutes items, agenda items one through six. Together, those are the minutes from this committee's meetings during last month's budget season. Wave the readings of those. On those minutes, any discussion? All right. Those items are laid on the table to recommend approval with a single vote at the end of tonight's meeting. And that's going to bring us to agenda item seven, ID number 25-0848. The mayor requests an approval to accept and expend a $38,500 grant with no new match required from the Boston Office of Emergency Management to the Police Department for the special response team equipment. The administration has indicated they have an update for us on this item, so I'll recognize legislative liaison Kimberly Hutter.
SPEAKER_05	Thank you, Chair Wilson. Yes, we would like to withdraw this item. When we were blasted for the Finance Committee, you may recall there is another grant we put in for a larger amount for similar purposes. So we are going to sort of consolidate those and we'll be back before this committee after the recess to address that item. But this one can be withdrawn. Thank you.
Jake Wilson	All right. Clerk, we're going to mark this item as withdrawn then. Counselor Scott, did you have a question about this before we do that?
J.T. Scott	Yes, Mr. Chair. Something I think might be helpful when that comes back.
Jake Wilson	Go ahead, Counselor.
J.T. Scott	All right. Thank you, sir. You know, as I'm looking at the item itself, there's... In the letter, the equipment award letter there, it references UIC fiscal year 23, UIC plan project justification U23, 1.2 regional SWAT sustainability. I've been looking for that document online, and I'll admit I have not been able to find it anywhere. So if the administration would be able to provide that document to us in advance of that conversation, I think that'd be very helpful.
Jake Wilson	All right. Thank you. Thanks for signaling that ahead of time. That's good. All right. Any more discussion on this? We are going to mark this one as withdrawn. All right. Item is going to be marked as withdrawn. It's going to take us to our eighth agenda item. That is ID number 25-1086. The mayor requesting authorization to dispose of bicycles previously abandoned in the city of Somerville to a charitable organization. Who wants to speak on this one first? Chief Benford, you wanna be first up here?
SPEAKER_10	Good evening. Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate the opportunity and I do apologize. It is clear I don't have enough bandwidth at home to do both audio and visual. So I am off camera and my sincere apologies, although I have tried. Through the chair, I'd like to thank the members here this evening, as well as the IGA and the mayor's staff and city staff with regards to this proposal. This is a dynamite program that provides an opportunity for us to dispose of bikes that have been held by SPD largely as found property for a number of years through an equitable program that really helps us when we talk about our commitment to alternative modes of transportation in the city. It allows us to work with a local nonprofit partner to distribute and repair a number of different bicycles that we have in our possession that would otherwise ultimately find its way uh through the disposition process um and possibly uh destruction um over time um through the support of the court this allows us to work uh with our partners uh in mobility and law and city partners to distribute these bikes uh across the city in an equitable way uh we looked at a number of different uh local partners uh to include uh some of the bike kitchen uh bikes not bombs who's not um situated in Somerville, but does have some services that they provide in Somerville. We looked at Groundwork Somerville, and we looked at Bike to See, and regrettably, because of the large volume of bicycles that we have, none of them had the capacity to take the bikes on and work with us and distribute the bicycles to our community members through an equitable fashion. They just didn't have the capacity, although they had the spirit and the heart to want to do it. Through a spirited recommendation from one of our captains at the police department, they recommended the YMCA as a partner in this space. And the YMCA stepped up, has the capacity, and has agreed to work with us to distribute these bikes. At this juncture, we have approximately 78 bikes that we're looking to distribute through this iteration. They have offered up a program that looks at some program goals that talk about program to promote sustainable transportation and can enhance community health and wellbeing. advance equity and access, foster positive community relations, and promote bicycle safety and education. I would like to mention that when we talk about the bicycles, they've been in our possession for some time. Many of them are in very good shape, but others require some tuning up and some refreshing to ensure that they're roadworthy and safe for our community to use. So I enthusiastically again promote this program and present it to this committee and ask for approval and support to move this forward. We think that this is a win-win for our community, for our ideals around alternative transportation, as well as being able to provide a vital resource for some community members who may otherwise be economically disadvantaged and may not be able to enjoy this asset and this opportunity.
Jake Wilson	Thanks, Chief. While I wait for colleagues to jump in with questions, I'll ask one here. First of all, good to see this happening. I know this is something Councilor Ewen-Campen and Councilor Clingan, I believe, put in an item back in 2021 about this. Hey, next best time, the present. Question was, I think Cambridge Bike Give Back, if I recall, did an event in the city maybe a couple of years ago. Were they looked at at all as an option here? Did anyone talk to them also?
SPEAKER_10	That's to you, Chief. Oh, I'm so sorry. I was muted. I was talking. Oh, okay. Yeah, my apologies. I can't say that I would call them... being considered, we really did put a focus on local in-city opportunities and organizations initially. We would have certainly taken a look at them as we did look broad and wide, but we just didn't know about it. But we did not, to my knowledge, take a look. And IGA, as well as mobility, did help in that space. I'm not sure if anyone from IGA may be able to offer up any thoughts on it. But initially, in our memo, It did cite the organizations that we did look at and that one doesn't initially jump out.
Jake Wilson	All right. You know, I get it. And I understand the urge to want to go with the Y. I just know, you know, Cambridge Bike Give Back does a lot of this. I think they've done over 5,000 bikes at this point. So, and I understand this is going to be a recurring thing. So, you know, I would just urge, you know, if, you know, the Y comes back and says this was a lot for us, take a look at Cambridge Bike Give Back as well. Maybe for the next, I see IGA has, maybe you're going to answer that question too. I'll call on our legislative liaison.
SPEAKER_05	Thank you, Mr. Chair. I was just going to make the comment that you have just made, which is that this will be a recurring process. Any additional donation of bikes that the city will do will come back before the council. At this point in time, we have these bikes that are being... This is the agreement that we have. As if and as we accumulate additional bikes, a new agreement would have to be made. So if there are other organizations that this council is aware of that we should connect with, please let us know. I jotted that one down for future. So if there are other ones, please let us know. We'll look to partner with those folks in the future.
Jake Wilson	Yeah, and to be clear, no shade on the why here. We love the why. It strikes me that it might be a little bit outside their traditional wheelhouse. Hopefully, maybe Somerville Bike Kitchen could partner with them and help out and lend some expertise on this in terms of getting those bikes fixed up. Just thinking out loud here. But yeah, very glad to see this happening. This is something that's been years in the making. Happy to see it happen. Councillor Burnley, you were first. Actually, did you have a response to that, Liaison Hunter? Or is the hand still up from before? From before, thank you. Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. Councillor Burnley, you're up first, and then Councillor Mabau.
Willie Burnley	Thank you. I guess I'll start on that point. Yes, Cambridge Bike Give Back is a great organization. It's not technically local, but they did two years ago on April 18th come to the Mystics with yours truly. I had conversations with some folks in leadership there and we gave away 75 bikes, I believe it was. which is about this total, actually, ironically. And I'm only able to cite that number because I have a post from a little over two years ago about this. Now, given that the Y is its own sort of organization and there are, I believe, memberships for the Y, my natural question would be, Would the folks eligible to receive these bikes have to be members of the Y? Would it be available to the wider community? That's for the chief or IGA, anyone who can answer.
SPEAKER_10	Sure. Thank you, Council, through the chair. One, I want to acknowledge and thank you both for the suggestion of Cambridge Bike Giveaway. We didn't have all the answers in this space. And as IGA mentioned, this is one iteration. And I do see an opportunity to work with others in the future. directly at your question, directly at your question, counselor, is that they do not have to be a member of the Y. We wanted to make sure as best we could that this opportunity is being made available to the community without having to have an affiliation with any one organization, right? It's about the in-kind gesture. So they do not have to be members of the Y in order to benefit from this program.
Willie Burnley	Right, just... Quick follow up on that. That's great to hear. Obviously, we don't necessarily want only certain people to have access to these services or resources, particularly given that these bikes have been languishing for a number of years, despite repeated orders and conversations from this council and previous councils. Glad to hear that this could be more widely available. Hopefully this is something that this entire list of organizations could help trumpet so that the wider community could be aware of any day in particular in which these giveaways are happening. And so we can all give it to the folks who need it the most. Thank you. Thank you.
Jake Wilson	Sorry, it's muted. Councilor Mubarak.
Will Mbah	Thank you, Chair. To you too, Chief Benford. Thank you for being here. I guess I just have maybe some clarification questions. Generally, I'm curious to know if we have any... Well, maybe this is not even to you. I guess to you, to the Chair... and maybe to the administration. Do we have a city policy or ordinance governing the disposal of abandoned property, which include bikes?
SPEAKER_10	I will just jump in. Well, I see Jay there, so I'm going to defer to Law. I was going to just offer that up and defer to them, but Law's on the rumps. I'll pause my comments. Thank you, sir. Okay.
SPEAKER_15	Okay. Thank you. And can members see me? Yeah, we can see you. Thank you to the chair. There is an internal policy regarding the disposition of surplus property, like these bicycles would be considered surplus municipal property. And it runs through actually enacting this process and required redoing that internal policy to include disposition by donation to a charity for less than fair market value. That is a provision that's explicitly allowed by state statute 30B section 15. It's the last paragraph within there. But I don't know, does that answer the question, Counselor?
Will Mbah	Yeah, I guess, you know, yeah, because generally, you know, I'm always like trying to look at like a big picture because now we have like just one set of, you know, we talk about bikes and then I just, it just occurred to me that, you know, we must have like something broadly speaking. And then, yeah, no, I think you gave me some ideas of what I was looking for. I guess to the chief, you know, how long must a bicycle remain unclaimed before it is deemed abandoned?
SPEAKER_04	Chair, may I just interrupt for a moment? The clerk here. Can you just introduce yourself, name and title for the record? Thank you.
SPEAKER_15	I'm sorry, I don't know if those directed to me.
SPEAKER_04	Yes, please.
SPEAKER_15	Oh, I'm sorry. Jake Peek's Assistant City Solicitor. And Chief, I don't want to step on your toes here, but I might be able to answer that question for you as well. And I just wanted to potentially add another clarifying point. I want to be clear that when we're talking about amending existing internal policies, it's actually, while bicycles fit within this parameter, it actually applies to all surplus municipal property. So these bicycles, because they had been on claim for a period of time, because there had actually been some notice on them, leaving, I guess the general answer to your question, counselor, And maybe just as some background, it might be helpful. I'm a little bit fuzzy on the exact date. It's at least, you know, three to six months or so ago, probably more like six months or so ago, the city posted a notice with all of these, with all the vacant bicycles, including a description and a serial number. I believe most of these were tagged with an incident number as to how they came into the custody of the police department. But the city posted a notice and advised that anybody in the world who might have abandoned a bicycle or thought that they've left a bicycle in Somerville to make any claims on these bicycles by a certain date or that... In the alternative, should they not do that, the city would deem them to be abandoned property, and we would take methods to dispose of them, including claiming them as our surplus property and then disposing them to a charity. There is a notice kind of outlining what the steps that the city intended to take was. And, you know, it was, my recollection is posted on the city website, and I believe through local newspapers as well. But I will, that's my recollection.
Jake Wilson	I'll jump in and say it was February 26th. Oh, excellent.
Will Mbah	Thank you. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Assistant Solicitor Piggs. I guess, no, I appreciate that. Yeah, I think, you know, I guess just one last question I have is just in terms of like maybe you know, like the criteria used to select, you know, what charitable organization it should be sent, you know, like, because we have a lot of nonprofit consulting in the city and other organizations, like what criteria was used, you know, for the selection.
SPEAKER_10	Thank you, Councilor Rob. I'll jump in on that through the chair. Thank you for the question. So the biggest concern that we had was obviously that these bikes have been in our possession for some time, and we wanted to ensure that they were safe. So the biggest piece of the criteria was really around, obviously, because they were bikes, we focused on those types of organizations, whether they, you know, initially we looked at businesses, but obviously we were trying to partner with a nonprofit. for a smoother and an easier pathway. But we looked at the capacity. So we're talking 78 bikes, which is just an enormous amount of volume. And in talking with most of the vendors and partners, they just didn't have the capacity to be able to intake the bikes. And then the second piece, which was a big piece of the criteria was they had to agree to repair the bikes. The city was not in a position to pledge resources and funds to purchase material or goods or services to be able to do that. So part of the partnership, we were looking for a pledge to not only take the bikes on, repair the bikes, but also assist with distribution. So that was really the large high level criteria Again, we looked at the ones that were obvious to us. We did a little bit of homework. Regrettably, we didn't bump into Cambridge by give back, but we'll learn from that and certainly incorporate them into the future. But those are really the big broad areas was one, the capacity to take them on, B, the ability and willingness to partner with us to repair them. And then thirdly, an equitable distribution process.
Will Mbah	Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Chairman Fitts.
Jake Wilson	All right, committee members, anything else on this item? All right, with that, we are going to lay this on the table to recommend approval at the end of the meeting. Thanks for joining us, Chief.
SPEAKER_10	Thank you all. Really appreciate you helping us getting this over the line. Be a really good thing for the city. We really appreciate your consideration.
SPEAKER_04	Chair, we will need to take a roll call on these items because we are remote. I can't take every single item up together, just as an FYI.
Jake Wilson	We do one roll call. We lay them on the table. We do a roll call at the end of the meeting on everything laid on the table to recommend approval.
SPEAKER_04	I do need to read them all when we take. We'll get there to the end.
Jake Wilson	Yeah, I'll ask you to basically just give the item numbers before we do that. Okay. Yeah, and then everyone knows what they're voting on, definitely. Thank you. All right, that's going to bring us to our ninth agenda item, ID number 25-1068, the mayor requests for approval to enter into a contract of up to 10 years for the services of an operator of the Greater Boston Bike Share Program, Blue Bikes. I believe we have, I see Director Inasio. Director, you want to take it away?
SPEAKER_12	Yes, thank you, through the chair. This is a semi-standard item. So as all the counselors and committee might be aware, Somerville is a participating municipality in the Blue Bikes Bike Shares regional system. So the MEPC Metropolitan Area Planning Council has historically procured that contract on a regional basis. They are now procuring the next iteration of that regional contract. And the network is now up to 13 municipalities. It will be a 10-year contract, which is why we are here before you tonight to seek approval to enter into a 10-year contract. But the MAPC will be doing all the procurement on behalf of all 13 municipalities. And with that, I'm happy to provide any information I can.
Jake Wilson	All right, colleagues, any questions on this? I have questions, but I'm happy to defer to colleagues if they want to go first.
SPEAKER_04	Chair, can Director Inasio please state their name and title for the record? And anyone else speaking tonight, can you please also do the same? Thank you.
SPEAKER_12	Yes, thank you. I apologize. Alan Inasio, Director of Finance and Community Development, Office of Strategic Planning and Community Development.
Jake Wilson	All right. I'll go ahead with my questions. You know, we've heard in the past there were requests for stations to be placed in areas of the city that currently aren't served very well. What sort of Is this the same sort of relationship that we've had in the past in terms of trying to get stations installed, places that maybe Blue Bikes isn't so excited to install them, but that we know are underserved? Just to name one, there's no Blue Bike station in the Mystics. And that's a huge population. I know Blue Bikes get used a lot there. The closest station to them is considerably far. So I'd be curious. How that works on this might be one for director Ross and I realize of mobility, but you know just naming that I'd love to see love to see us be able to get some stations into places that say they're currently underserved in the blue bikes network.
SPEAKER_12	Sure. Thank you, Chair Wilson. So I do know that I was involved in the last process or two of these contracts ago. And so I know as part of the contract negotiations is, you know, there is discussion of how the network will expand and grow and also what will be added and what sort of maintenance and capital improvements will take place. Specifically for this contracting cycle, I'm not sure. I'm happy to take this feedback back to the mobility team and Director Rawson and have him reach out. And I know that the MA, I'm not sure that the MAPC has officially kicked off the procurement process, but I know that before we can enter into anything, we We do need this vote to enter into the overarching time period of the contract. But I'm happy to take that feedback and have the mobility team get back to you.
Jake Wilson	Sure, can I just really quickly say I'd love to see one station added at the Mystics or Healy School or Blessing the Bay Boathouse somewhere in that area, Lincoln Park in Argenziano, Capuano in Glen Park, 165 Broadway where Teen Empowerment's based out of, and the Dillboy Stadium in Poole. Those are locations that I think would really help the community.
SPEAKER_12	Great. Those will all be noted. I'll circle back with the clerk and make sure all those locations are noted to Director Rawson, certainly, and the mobility team. Thanks. I appreciate that.
Jake Wilson	Colleagues, anyone have any discussion on this?
Will Mbah	Councilor Buhar. Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to say that I know that Director Inasho is going to deliver on this. So, you know, so Dubo is just right there. And in fact, when you were mentioning all those different places, and then it just kind of like, I opened the map to see it. I think, yeah, it would really be useful to capture like all the places that, you know, they're in close proximity to where we have people that can easily have access. So thank you for mentioning all those places.
Jake Wilson	Thanks, Councilor. You won't be surprised. I spent a little time with that map this afternoon. It was not just randomly thrown.
Will Mbah	No, no. And thank you, Director Nelson. I appreciate your work.
Jake Wilson	Fun fact, Ward 2 enjoys the most blue bike stations in the city. So congrats to Councilor Scott for bringing that. Sadly, Wards 4, 6, and 7 have the fewest with three apiece. So, Councilor Burnley. Withdrawn. All right. Colleagues, anything else on this? I don't see anything. So, clerk, we're going to lay this one on the table to recommend approval with that vote at the end. And thanks, Director Inasio, unless you're sticking around. Never mind. You have another one. Sorry. That is going to bring us to our 10th agenda item, ID number 25-0978. The mayor requests an approval to execute the fourth amendment to the lease agreement with Dana Family Series LLC for the Grove Street parking lot through June 30th, 2026. I see we have Director Suzanne Renfret from parking with us. Director Renfret, please tell us.
SPEAKER_09	Good evening. Thank you for having me. Suzanne Renfret, Director of Parking. This is just a renewal of the lease for the parking lot behind McKinnon's Market in Davis Square. So there's 17 spaces back there, and this is just going to extend that.
Jake Wilson	All right. Colleagues, any discussion on this? I don't think there's nothing to talk about, Chair. I have a question, but I'm happy to let colleagues jump in here first. All right, I'll just say this is the site of the much talked about 25-story tower in Davis Square that a developer has been holding meetings about with the community. You know, obviously there's no application for anything related to that proposed tower currently before the city, but are indications that the property owner is happy to keep renewing this lease until such a time that things might change and there's an actual application for something to do with that site?
SPEAKER_09	Through the chair, yes. They have an agreement. We have an agreement with them that if something does come to fruition, then they can cancel this lease.
Jake Wilson	Does this Fourth Amendment here before us still contain a termination for convenience? Correct. Okay. And is that now 90 days that was in line with the change made back in 2023? That is correct, sir. Okay. I'm not sure I want to know the answer to this, but does this mean that this week we've been operating a municipal parking lot there without a lease?
SPEAKER_09	Correct.
Jake Wilson	I guess that's better than in 2023 when we didn't do this until mid-August. So, all right. Next best time now to get a lease done. So, colleagues, anything on this? All right. We're going to lay this one on the table to recommend approval as well. Director, thank you for joining us.
SPEAKER_09	Thank you. Have a good night.
Jake Wilson	And now onto our 11th agenda item, ID number 25-1001. The mayor requests approval of time only extension for the contract with Franklin Cummings Institute to December 31st, 2026. I think we have Director Inasio rejoining us maybe. I believe... Oh, Director Ned Carney. Okay. I was told it could be you or Director Ned Carney. So I do see Director Ned Carney there among the panelists. And there we have Director Ned Carney. Please take it away, Director. And introduce yourself with your name and title for the clerk, please.
SPEAKER_06	Hi, everyone. Rachel Ned Carney. So this item, this is a program that we are running in conjunction with the Jobs Creation and Retention Trust for Franklin Cummings to do some training programs. And they are looking to extend the timeline in order to bring in more folks for next year. There's just a time extension. There is no funding along side it.
Jake Wilson	And director, your audio cut out, I think, when you were saying your title, would you mind sharing your title with us as well, please? Sorry, I can say it for you if you want me to, you got your hands full there.
SPEAKER_06	Apologies, yeah. So I'm originally the current director of economic development.
Jake Wilson	Thank you. All right, colleagues, any discussion of this item? Mr. Chair? Councilor Mabau, who serves on the aforementioned body.
Will Mbah	Exactly. So, you know, I just wanted to say this is, yeah, like she mentioned, like it's nothing new. It's like organizations that are in process of doing good work, you know, so we just want to continue the process. All right.
Jake Wilson	Any additional discussion? Seeing none, that item's laid on the table to recommend approval as well, Clerk. Director, thank you for coming and talking to us about that one. Unless you're probably sticking around, I'm guessing, possibly for the 299 Broadway items as well. uh speaking of 299 broadway next up is our 12th agenda item id number 25-1160 the mayor requesting approval of the final urban center housing tax increment financing or uch tiff agreement for the 299 broadway project uh i see we have director ned carney with us uh as well i think we have attorney uh kathy lester salkert from the law department uh standing by as well uh for the 2 9 broadway items uh director do you want to walk us through this uh sure so counselors i'm going to pass the mic if that's all right to ben demers oh yeah he's our project specialist on this i actually had uh i had uh senior planner ben demers from economic development as the person to call him but i i saw you on camera so i didn't want to uh Didn't want to step on your toes there. Senior Planner Demers, whenever you are ready, please tell us about this one.
SPEAKER_14	Thank you, Chair. So just to introduce myself, my name is Ben Demers. I'm a senior planner, real estate specialist with the Economic Development Division of OSPCD. I use he, him. So through you, Mr. Chair, to the committee, this item is to request approval of the final Urban Center Housing Tax Increment Financing, or UCTIF, agreement for the 299 Broadway project. Just to give a little bit of context, the UCTIF program, which is managed by the state's Executive Office of Housing and Livable Communities, or HLC, is authorizes municipalities to provide a real estate tax exemption on all or a portion of the increased value of improved real estate, i.e. the increment on the value, over a period of up to 20 years. And the goal of this program is really to support new housing and commercial development, especially affordable housing. So back in 2023, the City Council had conditionally agreed to provide a full 100% exemption on the increment for a full 20-year period for the 299 Broadway project. As a reminder, this redevelopment of a long vacant star market adjacent building and parking lot in Winter Hill will create 319 new units of housing, 136 of which are deed-restricted affordable, along with new retail space, two new public civic spaces, and a community room. And the intention stated at that time was to return to the City Council for final approval once the project was closer to receiving its building permits, which the team is working to do over the next month for an anticipated financial closing this September. The goal was to make sure that the full octave amount was still needed when the project was further along in its planning process. So economic development has worked with an independent real estate consultant, Abramson & Associates, who also subcontracts with a consultant focused specifically on the affordable housing portion of the deal to review updated project financials and have determined that the full amount of the exemption is still needed to achieve a reasonable return on the investment. We're therefore looking to lock in this exemption percentage and period in an updated UCTF agreement. This agreement would also capture some changes that have been made to the project since 2023, including an increase in the unit count, all of which have been approved by the Somerville Zoning Board of Appeals, the ZBA. If recommended positively and approved by the full council, the updated agreement would then be signed by the mayor and would be sent to HLC and recorded with the Middlesex South Registry of Deeds. So thank you all for listening to the background context. I'm here as well as Attorney Selkert, as you mentioned, to answer any questions that you might have. I'll also note that we have several representatives from the 299 Broadway Development Partnership here with us this evening as attendees. So if you do have any questions directly for the team, we can also promote them.
Jake Wilson	All right, any questions on this? I'll just say quickly, basically the pro forma, the financials that the developer provides show that construction costs haven't gone down and or projected future rental revenues haven't gone up such that they're gonna need the full UCH TIF to make the project pencil out. And we're just updating the agreement to reflect the final project numbers, right? Exactly. That was a scenario I remember I'd asked about that back in 2023. So I just appreciate the thorough examination, the due diligence here to determine that they are going to need the full benefit of that tax increment financing. So thank you to you and everyone there for working on this. Good to see this project moving ahead and hopefully get into a groundbreaking in September. Councilor Burnley.
Willie Burnley	Thank you, through the chair. Yeah, I was waiting for that date to break ground, to come up. I heard September. I want to make sure we're still on track for that because it's a major project as far as my perspective from the city side. The most generous, you know, supports that the city can offer with this kind of an uptiff wouldn't want to do something to that effect if it's going to be a long drawn out process. Just to get a sense of this uptiff a little bit more within section six of the amended and restated agreement on point six of section six is this Is this amount, the $4.3 million, the amount that we are foregoing through the UCTF, or is this the whole worth currently and the amount that would be generated through the improvement of the parcel is a different number? That could be for anyone who can answer. Probably.
SPEAKER_01	the project team like uh mr chair can you see my hand it's um attorney kathy lester selkirk uh ospcd um my understanding through the chair to counselor burnley is i don't know exactly what paragraph you're looking at but i'm it sounds like you're referring to the base like what the unimproved value of that parcel is and that is the threshold for the UCTF so that those taxes will continue to be paid. It's the increment as the project is developed that will not be included. That's what gets deferred for 20 years. So they know the taxes that they'll be required to pay are fixed. I hope that answers your question. There's probably someone on the team who could speak to it more if you have further question about that.
Willie Burnley	No, that answers my question. My question was, is this the number or is the number a different number, which, you know, most likely, but now we don't, we're not going to know the assessed value of this necessarily 15 years from now. Um, that's based on market conditions and what improvements get made, you know, what, uh, the tendency looks like at that point. Um, I just wanted to get a, as close of a read on that as I could, because, you know, we're talking a couple, you know, paying full millions of dollars here and then 20 years of taxes. Uh, so want to be quite mindful of, uh, what's happening in terms of this arrangement. That and getting this done as quickly as possible are my main concerns here. This is a project that, to repeat the chair, something the chair said a few times tonight, you know, best time would have been 2007. Second best time is now. With that, I'll yield to my colleagues.
Jake Wilson	Third time we've made that joke, and we haven't even planted any trees or anything tonight, so I'm here for it. Yeah, anything else on this? Going once, going twice.
Will Mbah	Councilman Obama. Thank you, Chad, just, you know, for... I appreciate, you know, your indulgence. I'm looking. I guess, you know, I think we had authorized this, you know, this various mechanism a few years ago. I think this is... Is this the one that is being used at Clarendon right now? And which one was also used, you know, at the assembly? Because I know we had... You know, we have TIF, the tax increment financing. And this one is like urban core, you know, housing TIF. And then we have like the business improvement district. We had various, like, then we have DIF. So I'm like just unclear about like which one is being used in various projects. You know, it's, it's, yeah. I know that at this point we are mostly interested in terms of like the mechanism now going forward, but we have like all these different pockets of, of, of, uh, uh, ways and approach, you know, that we are using for different projects. Can somebody really differentiate, you know, what is going on, you know, especially in vis-a-vis, like compare and contrast this one on Broadway to the one that we, which is close to my house at Clarendon Hill. Tell me which one was implemented at assembly, because we've used them multiple times in the city, but which one actually does this one applies to?
Jake Wilson	And Director Nadkarni, I think, is ready to talk acronyms and explain TIFs versus DIFs. Director.
SPEAKER_06	Yes, so through you, Mr. Chair, there is a definite distinction between TIF and DIF. In the rest of the country, TIF and DIF are more or less similar. But in Massachusetts, DIF is District Increment Financing and TIFF is Tax Increment Financing. The UCTF, which is the preferred method of pronunciation that the state uses, is the Urban Center Housing Tax and Current Financing Program. It is a very specific program run out of, I think, which now is HLC, the Housing and Livable Communities. And UCTF is a specific program for adding housing for supporting projects that add housing to commercial areas. This is the only site in Santa Barbara that we currently have an UCTIF plan approved. The UCTIF plan covers the properties that we have for the urban renewal plan in Winter Hill. We've, um, It's now been several months since Tom and Mike Filoni and I were with you all to talk about the broad range of tools that we could be using to support further housing production in Somerville. We are planning to do that again, but this one is very specifically only right now applied in Winter Hill. District increment financing we have used in a few different cases. And that we've looked at, we've used in assembly. Alan is the expert, Alan Anasio, our finance director for OSPCD. He is our expert on all things tools that we've used at Clarendon Hill, if you have more specifics on that project.
SPEAKER_12	um thank you rachel yeah just for there's only one additional um tool and obviously uh somerville is a very challenging housing market um probably one of the most challenging housing markets in the country um so we try to utilize any and all financing that we can but we did use the standard disc district improvement financing in clarendon for the infrastructure work um and we're also hopefully will be putting in a successful application for Section 108, which actually is a financing tool that leverages our CDBG HUD entitlement funding. And hope that answers that question.
Will Mbah	Yeah, that's good. That's good.
Jake Wilson	Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Counselor. All right. Anything else on this one? All right, we're gonna lay this one on the table to recommend approval here at the end of the meeting. We're gonna take up then together the final two agenda items, 13 and 14. That's ID number 25-1163. The mayor requests your approval of a public access and maintenance access easement for 299 Broadway property owner, LLC. And ID number 25-1164, the mayor requesting approval of a maintenance, access, easement, and landscape management and maintenance plan for 299 Broadway property owner LLC for the future Sewell Park at the 299 Broadway development facility. One programming note, there is a replacement item for 1164 that's on the agenda for Thursday night. We're going to go ahead and discuss this. And as we've done a number of times, then there will be that replacement item that will be taken up on Thursday night when we do this committee report. I see we have same crew there. Whoever wants to talk about these two agreements, you are officially recognized.
SPEAKER_01	I think I'm up, Mr. Chair, unless someone tells me otherwise. Kathy Lester Salkert again. The best way to distinguish between these two agreements, they're going by their names. So Broadway Property Owner LLC, that is the Broadway Pocket Park. And there's a few unique things about these two easements. One is that we're doing these far in advance to add predictability for the financers that will be participating in the financial closing in September. They wanted to have all of the documents that will pertain to this development to be executed and on record as of the financial closing. the broadway pocket park will be at one end and the sewell park civic space will be at the other end and they're connected by something called the pedestrian muse and the there's a single landscape maintenance and management plan that covers sewell park the mute the pedestrian muse and broadway pocket park that will be incorporated in the easement for the Broadway Pocket Park, and then Sewell Park, in order to facilitate using a Mass Works grant, that money is being made to purchase that property ahead of time, and it's going to be held by the SRA. And once it's developed, it will be conveyed by the SRA to the city. And that is the explanation for the substitute item, because the way this was put in on the agenda, it says we're creating an access easement and also mentioned a covenant. I'll get to that in a moment. The easement will already be on record. There's a separate easement executed with the SRA that grants access to different areas. It's referenced in the Sewell Park Maintenance Agreement. It'll still stay there, and it shows you that the easement will already be on record as of that time. same thing for the covenant the covenant is the agreement that will run with the land that requires that the civic space or that it be maintained as a public park civic space type in perpetuity so we're kind of doing things in a little bit of a different order than we typically do and i hope that at least gives you a flavor of what's going on with these two documents
Jake Wilson	I'm going to call on Counselor Scott in one second. As I like to do, I just love to make sure I have a summary of these when we get these long agreements here. Basically, the property owner is granting 24-7 public access to the Muse and the Temple Street Passageway and 8 a.m. to sunset access to the Broadway Park and Plaza. I have a feeling Counselor Scott might be about to ask about that. The property owner is responsible for maintenance and repairs of civic space and pedestrian access areas. Any changes to the civic space would need to be approved by the city, and Sewell Park is being transferred in perpetuity to the city, but 290 on Broadway, property owner LLC, is going to be responsible for maintenance and repairs of the park, including snow and trash removal and landscaping. Is that a fair summary? Correct, yes.
SPEAKER_01	Okay. Yes, very good summary.
Jake Wilson	Thank you. Councilor Scott.
J.T. Scott	Thank you, Mr. Chair. You know how much I love to closely read easement agreements. I actually appreciated your catch on that. But the, The question I had was actually in some of the depth of these documents. For members of the public, these are incredible documents. If you're curious as to how much work goes into crafting these agreements and really how much thought goes into the design of our public spaces, these are 47-page documents and there's a lot of specificity in terms of types of play structures and types of surfaces and thought around accessible pathways. If you're curious as to what our PSUP department does, this is a great way to get an inside look on that. That said, one thing, while it's very detailed in terms of plant species, integrated pest management plans, I mean, it goes deep. The one thing that I didn't see that was just mildly concerning to me, but Maybe we've already handled it through a different mechanism. When referring to furnishings, it talks about some movable furnishings being brought inside seasonally and the inspection requirements for fixed furniture. But I didn't see any requirements in the fixed furnishings. They not be what's termed hostile architecture, right? Anti- sometimes called anti-homeless architecture. And I was curious if, I know there's been several attempts by the city council to prevent the city from installing or using any such. Is that covered already in this agreement? Or is this, I'm hoping my concern is unfounded, I guess, Attorney Seliger. Maybe I can help you.
SPEAKER_01	Thank you for the question through the chair. I have to say that that is something that is handled by PSUF and by the particular planner who was working on this project. I don't know if he's here this evening, but I would be happy to bring that question to him and get an answer back to you on that. You basically want to know more about the type of furnishings that will be used. And actually, someone from the project team may be able to answer that question, because they've got quite a number of folks here this evening. So I can certainly open it up to them with the chair's permission, if there's anyone who wants to speak to that.
J.T. Scott	I'd certainly be open to that, Mr. Chair, and value any input that anybody on the team has. I guess I know that in POPs down in Ward 2, I've worked pretty diligently to make sure that the design involves, let's say, majority movable furniture, for example, just because that gives greater access and flexibility for people in the parks, and been very clear about the incorporation of any hostile architecture elements. I guess knowing the intentions up front is one thing, but since these are legally binding documents for the construction design of these things, I'd be curious if there is an existing prohibition, I guess, that would make restating it here superfluous.
SPEAKER_01	Yeah, one quick comment before we turn it over through the chair to Councillor Scott. PSUF has to sign off on all of these things too. And so to the extent that it's not covered specifically in here right now, they still have the sign off authority. But I will turn it over to a member of the project team if there's someone here who can answer that question.
J.T. Scott	Mr. Chair, if I could follow up on that. That's excellent. Where did I miss that?
SPEAKER_01	Let me find it for you. I'll look for that right now.
J.T. Scott	Great. Thank you.
Jake Wilson	While attorney Salkert's looking for that, I guess I'll return then. Counselor Scott, are you willing to let me bring up the sunset closing time? Are you cool with that? And just ask, are we all cool with that given that sunsets as early as 4.15, 4.14, I think some years here in the Boston area? Are we cool with the civic space being closed to the public before close of business? I'll ask it. I guess to come up with a question to ask, is there lighting that can be used there? Is there no lighting? Is that why we want it to be closed at sunset? To whoever wants to take that. Attorney Salkin, and if you have an answer to the original question, happy to table my question here and come back.
SPEAKER_01	I'm still looking for the original question, Mr. Chair, but to answer the current question that you have, I believe there's an ordinance that specifies those are the general park hours, and I think it was taken from there. And using it outside those hours is by permit. So you can get a permit for an event, you can get a permit for different things, but it's generally... It's stated in the ordinance. Those are the typical park hours, I believe.
Jake Wilson	I'm just going to say that that's not my recollection of how park hours in some of them are.
SPEAKER_01	I believe, because I'm not sure if I'm right about that.
Jake Wilson	Yeah, yeah. And I know this is coming from Councilor Scott's eagle eye caught a somewhat similar thing involving some pops over an assembly. And we ended up having that easement amended to have a more reasonable end time to it. In that case, it was definitely in the interest of the private party because they were going to have people leaving work after sunset. Just naming that as something that caught my eye and caused me some concern, it doesn't seem like that would be something anyone really wants, is to have people not be able to use a park at 4.30 p.m. Council Burnley, do you have something on this?
Willie Burnley	Yeah. I don't actually on two points, but I'll just say thinking in reverse, just, you know, to your point, looking through our code of ordinances there in article three parks, playgrounds and school grounds section 12 dash 48 closing time of parks and playgrounds. The, Sentence reads, parks and playgrounds shall be closed to the public except city personnel conducting city business. They're in daily between the hours of 10 p.m. and 8 a.m. Now, 10 p.m. doesn't quite strike me as sunset, but it's summertime, so I don't know. Sometimes it does go quite late.
Jake Wilson	David Ensign, Thank you, can I definitely 10pm was that I didn't want to throw that out there, but that was the figure in my head, so I think that that is a standard closing time for parks and several that I can remember.
SPEAKER_01	Karen Hollweg, And did not interrupt but that's a section, I was thinking of and you're.
Jake Wilson	David Ensign, Okay Okay, I mean. I guess on this point, I don't want to blow this up over closing time. I understand there's an urgency here because we need to get this agreed to on Thursday night so that we're about to go on recess and our next meeting is August 28th. And I know they are very eagerly looking to start the work to close on things and start the work on this in September. Is it, I'll ask, is it possible to get something like this, a relatively small change like that negotiated and changed by Thursday? I know we have members of Mark Development here in the audience. I know it's a little unorthodox here, but I wanna see this get approved on Thursday night, but I also wanna see some of these concerns addressed about the hostile architecture and about the hours. Yeah, senior planner Demers.
SPEAKER_14	Mr. Chair, to the committee clerk, just for facilitating this conversation, could we potentially promote a couple of the members of the development team that are attendees?
SPEAKER_04	Yes, who would you like me to promote?
SPEAKER_14	So if you want to promote Scott Lombardi and Brent McDonald.
SPEAKER_04	They should both receive invites and they should be able to join in a second.
Jake Wilson	And Counselor Scott still has. Counselor Scott, did you want to say something while we're figuring all this out too?
J.T. Scott	No, I think we're following a productive line, sir. And I echo your desire to get this hammered out expeditiously, I guess I'd say. All right.
SPEAKER_01	Mr. Chair, while we're waiting, Councillor Scott, I found language on PSUF approval in the landscape management plan. It does not say what I thought it said, which is why it's always good to double check. Hang on. Let me get it in front of me. Where did I open it? Here it is. Page 14.
J.T. Scott	Page 14.
SPEAKER_01	paragraph nope hang on it's the other one sorry page 13 paragraph h and it says for the avoidance of doubt movable furniture and elements can be replaced or updated without the need to obtain the approval of peace off and that's for movable elements is that in the sewell park document or the broadway plaza i believe i'm sorry i believe it is in the broadway document i was looking at a separate document in the file but i'll find if it's a different number i'll find the page number for you apologies let me grab that um back to it i'm not seeing it on i'll find it i'll find it Go on, carry on without me.
Jake Wilson	Okay, hang on. Well, we have members from the development side here. Is it worth, while we're figuring this out, can we... tackle the larger question uh before i say well two larger questions about uh ability to do some sort of quick turnaround negotiation and changes to this i had a thursday night uh i said we have we have brett mcdonald uh mr mcdonald i'll recognize you here thank you mr chair uh for the record brett mcdonald an attorney at nutter mcclellan and fish in boston uh just wanted to
SPEAKER_02	Peter Haslund, Particularly respond first to the comment from counselor Scott with regard to the hostile architecture, I would direct your attention to it's in condition 83 of the comprehensive permit. Peter Haslund, requires peace off to approve 100% landscape construction plans and details for all of these civic spaces, which includes. Peter Haslund, But not limited to plantings play equipment fencing retaining walls bicycle facilities trash receptacles outdoor furniture and utility cabinet locations. So it was a condition of the approval from the ZBA that we obtained PSOP approval for everything that we're putting in these parks and walkways.
J.T. Scott	Oh, great. Thank you for that. I very much appreciate it. You're welcome. In terms of the operating hours, I know we had to modify language in a previous easement to just say that it would be in conformance with City ordinances relating to opening hours of public spaces. I guess I'm curious about the difference here with the specified sunset as opposed to 10 p.m.
Jake Wilson	Yeah. Attorney McDonald, are you able to speak at all to that?
SPEAKER_02	That was some hours that were requested by the project team. I guess I would defer to the project team if the flexibility around those hours.
SPEAKER_00	Scott Lombardi from mark development i'll just weigh in on that one, so I thought that we were trying to follow the lead of. City staff legal piece of and you know what would be required by the city's ordinance ordinances for hours of operation I think we'd be happy to. say in this that we would just follow the city's guidelines and know that we were intentionally doing anything different there. at depth for the muse and 24 hour access through there to keep that pedestrian connection. I don't remember specifically talking about it for the Broadway Park Plaza, but I think the intent there was to do what the city ordinances would require.
Jake Wilson	All right, so that sounds encouraging. I'll ask the question then, do we think it's possible to make that change given that it's a fairly small change before Thursday? Actually, we'd probably have to say by tomorrow, I think 4 p.m. might be the deadline for a new item to be submitted such that we can get this approved tomorrow night because we want to get this approved.
SPEAKER_01	Yeah. Through the chair, I was going to say to the chair, that would be the process. Yeah. We can put a new, do it just as we're doing for the other one that's being substituted. That makes sense. And I misunderstood. I thought it was coming from the project team that they had requested that it be sunset. So there's a couple of misunderstandings going on at least, but great to hear that they want to do what the ordinance says.
Jake Wilson	And just to be clear, we do feel that this is very easy to turn around here basically in the next, you know, 21 hours or less okay i see the city on the city side i see a nod uh on the on the developer side is this something we can that we can get turned around i'll turn uh turning mcdonald yeah if my client is fine with changing it it can be turned around in 10 minutes Mark Warren, Okay, all right. Mark Warren, let's go we'll we'll hope to see a new item then submitted apologies to everyone who's gonna have to do a little more work on this, but I think this is something that will I think it's worth that extra work, and I think the Community will be in favor of that so. Mark Warren, We are going right well there's still discussion happening Council brilliant you have your hand up i'll throw it your way here.
Willie Burnley	Thank you. Yeah, I just wanted to follow up really briefly on the first point around hostile architecture that Councilor Scott brought up. I believe Councilor Scott amongst other folks may have been referring to an effort I was pushing on my first year on the council to put forward an ordinance to ban hostile architecture in Somerville. At the time I received many assurances from the administration specifically a piece of that they currently do not have any designs that would be considered hostile architecture. They have no interest or plans to adopt such designs, which, you know, if that is still the case, and I have no reason to believe it is not based on my, you know, purview of the community, I think that would satisfy this. I would, you know, as always, as a counselor and as a legislator, leave it to my colleagues to consider whether they feel in the future, just having this discussion be fully resolved via ordinance would be their interest. I know that there's not the committee where those actions will be taken, but I think the conversation that we've just had really does underline the importance of having a word in its language that says, this is our operating standard around hours, around, uh, how we build public space. Uh, and at this point, uh, with these changes, uh, being made into the language, I would be satisfied, uh, voting for this Thursday. Uh, but do want to just note that technically there is no, uh, piece of policy against uh hostile architecture it's just that we do have not proactively uh adopted any designs or attempted to create it on the city side all right thanks counseling uh
Jake Wilson	Anything else on this one? And while I'm waiting, I'm just going to reiterate that the deadline then is going to be 4 p.m. tomorrow, I believe, for a supplemental item to come in to make the agenda. So I just want to make sure everyone knows that. And that's for it to reach the city clerk. So there's a whole process of that. So just want to have deadlines in people's heads here. Attorney Salkert.
SPEAKER_01	Um, yes, Mr. Chair. Thank you. I just have one clarifying question. Are we also looking for language on the hostile architecture or we're saying, no, we're just recognizing that we don't have an ordinance at this time and PSUF will have to approve whatever gets installed and we're satisfied with that. Okay, good. I just wanted to make sure. So it's just this other park hours that we're going to change. Very good.
Jake Wilson	I see you nodding, but your hands up. So I'll call on you.
J.T. Scott	Thank you very much. Yeah, no, I'm going to trust to our folks at PSUF making that with that with that language in there requiring their explicit approval and If for some reason it doesn't work out the way I would expect it would, then we can always go back to the ordinance that Council Burnley was discussing. So no, I'm content with that approval piece of it and just very much want to get the operating hours or open hours piece resolved if we can. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01	Very good. Thank you.
Jake Wilson	All right. Anything else on this then? It seems like we are arriving at a pretty good outcome here. Teamwork makes the dream work. All right, so I have a question then. So I want to make sure I get this right. Which agenda item is then going to be replaced? Please say it's the one that is already, that we said we were going to mark for... So it would, Mr. Sheriff, I have it straight.
SPEAKER_01	It'd be in, Ben can check, 251163, right? Because that's where the Sewell Park... Oh. Flint... Oh, I beg your pardon. It's Sewell Park. It is the one we're already doing, right?
Jake Wilson	1164. So we can stick with the original plan of marking that as withdrawn.
SPEAKER_01	She'll let Ben take it.
Jake Wilson	Yeah. Senior Planner Demers.
SPEAKER_14	Through you, Mr. Chair. So the... And it's that we just made it. I apologize. I'm just confirming that I have to correct Dr. Hump. The edits that we just made to the hours are to the easement referenced in item 25-1163. So it's the other item, not the one that we were already planning to replace for Thursday.
Jake Wilson	Tom Preston- Alright, so that means we're going to have to well, can we get a formal request from from the administration to to withdraw both both agenda items 13 and 14 because we technically are not the ones to to withdraw items it's the administration if they submitted it.
SPEAKER_01	Mr. Chair, my recollection is that Kim Wells asked us to have you withdraw because we had already agreed on this on the Sewell Park one.
Jake Wilson	We can do it. Legislative liaison Hunter.
SPEAKER_05	Thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm happy to make this request to have both items 13 and 14 on the agenda withdrawn. We will submit new items for Thursday. Thank you.
Jake Wilson	Thank you, and thanks for your work doing the change here, the short turnaround on the park hours. So, all right, having heard that now, we're going to mark our agenda items 13 and 14 as withdrawn. And we know there is that already the replacement item for 25-1164 already on the agenda. And we heard tonight there's going to be a forthcoming supplemental item on tomorrow night's agenda to replace 25-1163. We just did a lot of wild stuff. Anyone have any questions about what we just did? Does everyone feel good about this? All right. Mr. Chair?
Will Mbah	Councilor Mubarak, do you feel good about this? I mean, I feel okay. It's like I just, this is just a liaison hurdle. Like if you, once this thing has been updated, can you send a clean sheet to the finance team? I need time to look at, I was looking at two different documents. They are trying to even compare and contrast what, you know like uh what we are trying to you know piece together they all look a little bit all over the place so one clean document will be helpful you know for my review absolutely the clean documents will be attached to the items that are on the agenda and you'll be able to see those when they are posted for the supplemental and which is when
SPEAKER_05	Whenever the city clerk posts a supplemental agenda. Thursday.
Jake Wilson	Typically Thursday, early afternoon-ish.
Will Mbah	True, Chair. That is fine, but if I start to look at this document on Thursday and there's a holdout, we'll have to spend more time talking about it. So I need it tomorrow and not Thursday.
Jake Wilson	So, Counselor, one of them is already up. The one with more changes is already up there as a regular agenda item. Which one, Chair? So the one replacing 1164. There's a red line version and a clean version there, I believe. Yes, that's what I'm looking at. Which shows the changes. And then there will be the supplemental item that's going to have the requested change. The only change there will just be to the hours of operation for the parks. Got you. Thank you, Chairman. Councilman, now do we feel good about what we just did here? I think so. All right. All right. Anything else on this then? I think I already said that we've marked them as withdrawn, so we're done talking about them apparently. So that brings us to the end of tonight's agenda. Councilor Burnley moves to recommend approval of the items on the table and to adjourn. So, Clerk, could you please read the agenda item numbers that are up for that recommendation to approve and call the roll on recommended approval of those items as well as adjournment?
SPEAKER_04	So, on the items recommended for approval and on adjournment, items 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. Counselor Emba.
SPEAKER_07	Yes.
SPEAKER_04	Counselor Burnley.
SPEAKER_07	Aye.
SPEAKER_04	Counselor Clingan. Counselor Scott.
J.T. Scott	Yes, please.
SPEAKER_04	And Counselor Wilson.
J.T. Scott	Yes, please.
SPEAKER_04	Those items are recommended to be approved and we are adjourned.
Jake Wilson	All right. Thanks, everyone. Have a great night.
SPEAKER_04	Thank you very much.